St. Paul's Church: Blog http://blog.stpaulswired.org Amalgam (n.) A combination of diverse elements; a mixture. posterous.com Fri, 03 Feb 2012 09:00:00 -0800 When Prayer Doesn't Work: Part Four. http://blog.stpaulswired.org/when-prayer-doesnt-work-part-four http://blog.stpaulswired.org/when-prayer-doesnt-work-part-four

What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you?  You want something but don’t get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God.  When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.  James 4:1-3

Wrong motives.  Bad motives.  Selfish motives. These will hinder our prayers.

Let’s say I ask God to bless me financially. God may very well examine my motive for this prayer. Do I want more money so I can buy everything I’ve always wanted? That’s a bad motivation. Or do I want more money so I can be more generous? That’s a good motivation.

Why we ask God for something is as important as what we ask God for.

So when we’re feeling like our prayers are not getting answered with a yes, it’s good to question: Why am I asking God for this?  What are my motives? 

God is a good parent.  And like all good parents he doesn’t always give us what we ask for immediately. Sometimes he says wait. Sometimes he says no. That’s not because God doesn’t love us. It’s because he does.

Looking back, I’m glad God said no to some of my prayers. Why?  Often I was asking for the wrong things.  And often I was asking for the wrong reasons.  And if God had answered yes to those prayers, I’d be a worse human being today. 

So these days I spend more time asking God to extend his reign on earth.  I already know that he wants to do that, and so I know he’ll answer in the affirmative.

And these days I spend more time asking the Father to bring Jesus glory.  I already know that’s what he wants, so I know he’ll answer in the affirmative.

And remember: motives matter.  Why we ask God for something is as important as what we ask God for.  Poorly motivated prayers are not effective prayers. And that’s actually a very good thing.  We have a God who will disappoint his children’s selfish requests for their long term good; therefore, we have a good Heavenly Father.  

 

 

 

 

 

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Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:02:00 -0800 New Orleans Missions Trip: Cancelled. http://blog.stpaulswired.org/new-orleans-missions-trip-cancelled http://blog.stpaulswired.org/new-orleans-missions-trip-cancelled

LutheransCARE just sent out a message saying that the trip to New Orleans has been cancelled. So we won't be going there over spring break as previously planned.

If you have any questions, email Bob Jeram.

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Thu, 02 Feb 2012 09:00:00 -0800 When Prayer Doesn't Work: Part Three http://blog.stpaulswired.org/when-prayer-doesnt-work-part-three http://blog.stpaulswired.org/when-prayer-doesnt-work-part-three

“Have faith in God,” Jesus answered. “I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.”  Mark 11:22-25

In this passage Jesus agrees with James.  Pray.  Prayer works.  And pray with faith not doubt.  Doubtful prayers are not effective prayers.

But Jesus adds something else.  Forgive one another.  A lack of forgiveness hinders our prayers just like doubt.

It is a dangerous thing to withhold forgiveness.  It hinders our prayers in general.  And it specifically hinders our ability to ask for and receive forgiveness from God. 

When I’m feeling like my prayers are going nowhere, when I feel like my prayers are getting no response, and when I feel like my prayers are useless, the first thing I do is consider whether I’m withholding forgiveness.  And if I am, I forgive right then and there.  I suggest you do the same. 

A lack of forgiveness is a huge hindrance to effective prayer.  So forgive.  And then pray.

 

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Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:00:00 -0800 When Prayer Doesn't Work: Part Two. http://blog.stpaulswired.org/when-prayer-doesnt-work-part-two http://blog.stpaulswired.org/when-prayer-doesnt-work-part-two

If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord.  James 1:5-7

James agrees with Jesus.  Ask and it will be given.  God gives generously to all without finding fault.  Prayer works.

But James adds a qualifier.  We must believe and not doubt.  Doubt hinders the effectiveness of our prayers.

But what does that mean?  What does it mean to say we should pray and not doubt?  That is the subject of this post.

Here’s what I think James means.  We should pray believing God can answer our prayers for help. And we should pray believing God wants to answer our prayers. We are to pray believing God is willing and able to help and therefore that help will come.

But as James warns us, if we pray doubting God is willing or able to help we should not expect help will come.  This is a sobering warning.  But it makes sense.  Insulting someone’s character and abilities and then asking that person for help doesn’t go over well with people. It doesn’t go over well with God either. But James does not say help will not come. He just says you can’t expect it. Our doubt negates the promise. But God can and has answered doubtful prayers. He is gracious. But if we want to claim the promise, we have to demonstrate the faith.

But before concluding this post I want to clarify what I mean. We are to pray believing God is willing and able to help and help will come.  What does that mean? 

It means remembering God is God. He’s smarter than us. The timing of his help is his business. Sometimes there’s a delay. If so, that’s because God has deemed it best for us not to answer immediately.

When we remember God is God, we remind ourselves that He’s wiser than us. The manner of his help is his business.  Sometimes the help comes in a manner we did not conceive of.  If so, that’s because God has deemed it best for us to send help in his own way.

So here’s how I pray. When I ask God for something, I always start by acknowledging his power and his goodness.  I start by confessing that I believe God is willing and able to answer my prayer for help.  And I continue in prayer by asking God to help in a specific manner at a specific time (usually right now!).  But I allow God to be God.  If God chooses to send help in a different way—that’s OK with me.  If God chooses to delay the help for some reason—that’s OK with me.  But I always believe help will come. 

So let’s pray. Prayer works. When we ask for help we are to believe help will come. The manner and the timing of the help is God’s business. But help will come. That’s how we pray in faith. 

 

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Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:56:55 -0800 Sunday's Worship Set - 1/29/12 http://blog.stpaulswired.org/sundays-worship-set-12912 http://blog.stpaulswired.org/sundays-worship-set-12912 Hey everyone!

This is a new blog series I will be posting weekly listing the songs we as a worship team played the previous Sunday.  I will try to have the blog up the following Monday or Tuesday.  If I can find Youtube clips of the songs, I will post those as well!  My hope is that this will educate you all on new songs we are introducing as well as answer any questions you might have about what songs we played and who they were by.  Enjoy!

Your Grace is Enough - Chris Tomlin

Blessed Be Your Name - Matt Redman

Breathe - Vineyard Music (music video by Michael W Smith)

Holy and Anointed One - John Barnett (music video by Brian Doerksen)

All We Need - Charlie Hall 

O Praise Him - David Crowder

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Tue, 31 Jan 2012 06:41:00 -0800 When Prayer Doesn’t Work: Part One. http://blog.stpaulswired.org/when-prayer-doesnt-work-part-one http://blog.stpaulswired.org/when-prayer-doesnt-work-part-one

Sunday we learned that God says:  Ask me.  Pray. Prayer works. God loves to give.  And that is absolutely true.

But if we’re honest, let’s admit sometimes prayer doesn’t work.  That’s true too. This shouldn’t discourage us from prayer because God tells us why sometimes our prayers don’t get answered.

This week I’ll post on three ways our prayers can be hindered. And they’re not my reasons. It’s not what I say; it’s what God says in his word.

But let’s remember: prayer works.  This is the first and last word on prayer. I think we need to accept this teaching from Jesus in faith. This is not the only word on prayer.  But it is the most important. Prayer works. God says it. And we can testify to this truth from our lives.

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Tue, 31 Jan 2012 06:33:00 -0800 Testimonies Welcome! http://blog.stpaulswired.org/testimonies-welcome http://blog.stpaulswired.org/testimonies-welcome

In our current series, we’re looking at what God says to our church right now.  On Sunday, we saw that God says to St. Paul’s Church:  Ask me!  And we heard many testimonies from people who have asked and received good things from the Lord.

Next Sunday’s message is Test Me!  God asks us to test him with our finances—to give them over to Him and trust He will provide.

The following Sunday’s message is Share Me!  God asks us to share him with our families, friends, and neighbors— and believe that God wants them to know him too.

And I’m inviting you to share your testimonies those Sundays as well.  Many of us can testify to the faithfulness of God regarding our finances.  You’ll have an opportunity to do that.  And many of us can testify to the power of God regarding our witness.  You’ll have an opportunity to do that as well.

So for the next few weeks, I’m inviting you to share your testimonies in our service.  We won’t do this every Sunday.  But we are doing it for the next two Sundays.  God is good; let’s take this time to testify as a community to this reality.

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Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:40:00 -0800 This Week at St. Paul's! http://blog.stpaulswired.org/this-week-at-st-pauls http://blog.stpaulswired.org/this-week-at-st-pauls

Here's something new: I'm going to start posting weeky church happenings on our blog, in case you missed the announcement on Sunday, or in case you are a forgetful person and need the reminder.

This week:

  • Small Groups Begin! If you didn't get the handout on Sunday, you can check out our Small Group section on our website for a list of options, or email us.
  • Wednesday Night Worship! Nick Santostefano will be leading our Wednesday Night Worship, where we will pray for our church and one another, and where we will worship God.
  • Spring Break Missions Trip! We're teaming up with LutheransCARE to serve in New Orleans March 17-23rd. Let Bob Jeram know you're going by February 19th.

Have a blessed week, everyone, and we hope to see you on Wednesday for Prayer and Worship!

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Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:05:00 -0800 Mission: New Orleans. http://blog.stpaulswired.org/mission-new-orleans-39255 http://blog.stpaulswired.org/mission-new-orleans-39255

St Pauls Church will be joining our friends at Lutherans CARE for their last trip to New Orleans in order to help restore houses damaged by Hurricane Katrina in 2005.  We will be be leaving for New Orleans on Saturday, March 17th and returning home on Friday, March 23rd. 

While in New Orleans, we will be staying at St. John's Lutheran Church on Canal Street.  There will be opportunites to visit Bourbon Street and the French Quarter. The cost of this trip is $50 plus the cost of transportation. 

Since space is limited, interested parties should sign up with Bob Jeram by Sunday, February 19th.

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Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:07:00 -0800 Last Night’s Meeting. http://blog.stpaulswired.org/last-nights-meeting http://blog.stpaulswired.org/last-nights-meeting

At our Membership Meeting Wednesday we reviewed our new proposed bylaws.  After much discussion, we decided not to approve them as written.  There were several suggested edits our members made.  And so we’ll present the bylaws again incorporating suggested edits at our next Membership Meeting.

I was very pleased with the outcome for two reasons.  First, our members took this process seriously.  They were prepared, informed, and engaged.  This will be a big step forward for our church and it’s important for our members to be involved.  (And they were).  Second, our members made excellent suggestions for improvement.  Our Board and Membership Officers have been working on this for five months.  We’re a bit tired of the bylaws.  So it was great to have people engage them with fresh eyes and make excellent suggestions.

For St. Paul’s Church to move forward, we need an empowered pastor, an empowered board and an empowered membership. We need to define these roles and then empower people to fulfill them.  And we’re getting there with a healthy process. 

Congregationalism is the slowest form of church governance. It takes patience. But patience is a fruit of the Spirit—a mark of Christian maturity. We are forming the basis for our church for many years to come. And we are being spiritually formed through the process. It’s a win/win.      

 

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Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:24:00 -0800 Just Kids. http://blog.stpaulswired.org/just-kids http://blog.stpaulswired.org/just-kids

And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 18:3

I don't know if I took this passage very seriously before a couple weeks ago. I grew up in the church, and I have heard it a bunch of times; it's a passage that Sunday school teachers use to try and get their pupils to take church a little more seriously ("See kids? Jesus actually preached about you little delinquents darlings!").

And the reason I didn't take it seriously was because I hadn't really thought about all the implications of what Jesus was actually saying (which, actually, is a pretty big pitfall we have when we read the Bible). I thought he meant we need to be innocent, come to him for comfort, tell him what we need, rely on him, etc. (And these are good things; it's probably bad that I didn't take these things more seriously).

But I think to be childlike is also to be more the way God designed us to be like. Sure, we have a sin nature, and kids aren't immune to it. But being a child is what we are before we get life's baggage, and unfortunately, life happens and exists in a broken world, and we become broken people quickly.

Someone once said that one of my problems is that I have been trained to see things a certain way, and I've become convinced that that's "me." For instance: my fear of failure and rejection. I was convinced that these qualities are just normal, and there's not much to be done with that. However, this person explained that children are naturally curious, and they naturally try things; they are hardwired to do this because otherwise, how else would they learn?

And to extend that thought: children are also vulnerable. They are small. They don't know a lot of stuff. They generally don't have an income. And they also don't know what heartache, fear, discomfort, disappointment, pain, risk, death, and the other inevitable parts of life are until they have experienced or witnessed it in some sense. Sure, parents and well-meaning adults can try their hardest to prevent children from experiencing these things, but the problem with the inevitable parts of life is that they are inevitable.

So to be like a child ready to enter the kingdom of heaven, I have to be ready to be simultaneously curious, courageous, risk-taking, and vulnerable.

That's kind of scary and a little counterintuitive.

But it's true.

On Don Miller's blog, he posted about vulnerability and why vulnerability is a key to emotional health. In the post, he linked a video of a sociologist in a TED talk, and she talked about her research, and how after a long struggle with this topic, she discovered and had to accept that the happiest and content people are people who are willing to be emotionally vulnerable.

And one might ask: "Well, wait a sec: being emotionally vulnerable means I'm going to be a punching bag." Which is not what she (or Miller) means. They are merely stating a fact: in order to completely feel loved by someone, you have to open yourself up to be loved... which means that there is a possibility that you will at some point not be loved by someone to whom you made yourself vulnerable.

The reason why people do not want to be vulnerable is because it is possible to be hurt, and to be hurt badly. Life can be unkind. So invulnerability is a protective measure.

But if one does not open oneself up to be vulnerable, something more destructive happens: if one becomes invulnerable to love, even partially invulnerable, one does not experience the fullness true love offers.

Makes sense.

The same goes for God. If we do not make ourselves vulnerable, and let go of things we think we can control, (our money, our comforts, the things we think protect us etc.), we will not fully experience the fullness of life he offers us. If we do not take risks, and go where he wants us to go (in ministry, in serving him, in serving others), we may be safer, but we will be living a diminished version of the life he has designed us for. If we do not take the risk of hurt, we will not grow, and we will also not fully partake in the blessings of the gospel.

I also remember something that Vince mentioned in a sermon back in the fall (I think): the good news is that when we make ourselves vulnerable (to God, to others, etc.), we can rest in the promise that God can pick us up again. 

To continue the child-metaphor: I think many of us can remember a time when we tried something new (swingsets, riding a bicycle, toboggins), and things did not end so well for us (face plants, skinned knees... etc.) And I don't remember my parents promising me that these activities meant that I wouldn't face these consequences.

But when these things did happen, one of them was usually around with bandaids, hugs, encouragement, and other forms of comfort. And if our earthly parents are so willing to comfort and take care of us, how much more will our Heavenly Father, who is Perfect Love, comfort and care for us when we fall?

He will. He says he will. But the only way we can fully experience this is if we become like little children. 

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Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:33:39 -0800 Sunday's Worship Set - 1/22/12 http://blog.stpaulswired.org/sundays-worship-set-12212 http://blog.stpaulswired.org/sundays-worship-set-12212 Hey everyone!

This is a new blog series I will be posting weekly listing the songs we as a worship team played the previous Sunday.  I will try to have the blog up the following Monday or Tuesday.  If I can find Youtube clips of the songs, I will post those as well!  My hope is that this will educate you all on new songs we are introducing as well as answer any questions you might have about what songs we played and who they were by.  Enjoy!

Forever - Chris Tomlin

Your Love Never Fails - Chris Quilala and Jesus Culture

You Are My Strength - Hillsong United

Better Is One Day - Matt Redman

Mystery - Charlie Hall

Healer - Hillsong

God of this City - Chris Tomlin

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Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:11:00 -0800 Final Words from Mexico... http://blog.stpaulswired.org/final-words-from-mexico http://blog.stpaulswired.org/final-words-from-mexico

A Post from Ken Buch.

Saturday was a day of varied activities.  We began the day with a van tour of some of the poorest neighborhoods in Tuxpan.  As we drove around we happened to drive by one of the churches that was involved in our work.  As we drove slowly by, the pastor’s wife recognized our van and waved for us to stop.  She invited us in for a tour and related the details of their 12 year history.  To say the church was a  “bare minimum building” is an overstatement.  We were moved to tears as she told of us their struggles trying to make a difference in their neighborhood.  As we drove away we all agreed that the visit was not a “random occurrence”.

Next on the agenda was a boat ride to Camp Kikomar.  The boat was maybe 16’ long and had a couple of plastic chairs to supplement the two rows of seats.  In spite of our initial trepidation, nine of us boarded the boat and the local fisherman took us on an hour long ride along the islands.  We took many photos of the birds.

Lunch at Kikomar and then time for some beach strolling and a dip in the Gulf of Mexico.

Back in Tuxpan, some took naps while the rest of us took another van tour of Tuxpan, this time into the wealthier neighborhoods.  What a difference from the neighborhoods we saw in the morning.  The tour ended at the center of town where we witnessed a festival including dancers in very ornate costumes demonstrating local historical dances.

One last dinner in Tuxpan  cooked by Patty and her sisters and daughters.  Since we did not need to go to the bus station until 11pm, the rest of the evening was filled with chatter and laughter as we recounted the two weeks of activities.

Good byes at the bus station were very emotional.  We certainly have made many close friends and many lives, including ours, have been profoundly affected.  Six hour bus ride was uneventful, the busses were nice but not as luxurious as the ones we took on our way in to Tuxpan.

Arrival at the Mexico City bus station began the early morning “chaos”.  The chore was to move eight passengers and a mountain of luggage from the bus station to two different terminals at the airport.  Some quick good byes then off to the airport.  Judy and I were in one taxi and the ride was very similar to a taxi ride in NYC including our inability to converse with the driver.  I had a great time on that ride in spite of the brief moment of concern when the driver suddenly took a detour down some very narrow and dark side streets.  I half expected to be ordered to” get out and give me your money!”

We arrived at the airport intentionally early so we had plenty of time to get to our flights which were on time and uneventful.  Home about 1am Monday after retrieving Lucy from our daughter's home in Bristol.  Glad to be back in our own beds and bathrooms!

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Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:15:00 -0800 On Congregationalism: Highlights of Bylaw Changes. http://blog.stpaulswired.org/on-congregationalism-highlights-of-bylaw-chan http://blog.stpaulswired.org/on-congregationalism-highlights-of-bylaw-chan

Here are several of the most important changes to our proposed new bylaws.

Get rid of the Trustees.  In our old bylaws we had Trustees.  This was a group with one function:  to disperse church assets in the event of church dissolution.  In these new bylaws this role is now part of the responsibilities of the Board of Directors.  This simplifies our bylaws tremendously.  This also strengthens our congregational roots as the Board is selected by our members whereas the Trustees were not.

Change Board Terms.  In our old bylaws board terms lasted for three years with board members being able to serve two consecutive terms.  In our new proposed bylaws board terms last for two years with board members being able to serve three consecutive terms.  This subtle change offers more board accountability to our members as they are elected every two years not every three.

Change Board’s Replacement Authority.  In our old bylaws, if a board member or board members resigned during their term then the board had the authority to appoint new board members without member approval.  In our new proposed bylaws, the board has no such authority.  All board members must be approved by the members.  This significant change increases board accountability to our members.

Change How Membership Meetings are Called.  In our old bylaws, the board called membership meetings but there were no regularly scheduled meetings according to the bylaws.  Consequently, a board could simply refuse to call any membership meetings and members could not do anything about it.  In our new proposed bylaws, there are three regularly scheduled membership meetings (Sept, Jan, May).  Additional meetings may be called but we’ll always have at least three.   

Change Allowing Emergency Membership Meetings and Specifying What Can Occur at an Emergency Meeting.  In our old bylaws, it was difficult to call an emergency Membership Meeting—a meeting without 2 weeks notice.  In our new bylaws, it is easy to call an emergency Membership Meeting.  However, emergency meetings can only be informational.  No decisions can be made.  This is a good change.  We can talk with members immediately if a crisis arises.  But we are protected from major church decisions being made without proper notice.

Change Qualifications of Members, Board, Lead Pastor.  We’ve made them the same.  What we ask of members is what we ask of our board is what we ask of our lead pastor.  Different gifts are necessary for the different roles, but the character and commitment are the same for all our leaders in the church.

Change Super-Majorities.  We’ve made them the same.  In our old bylaws some super-majorities required a two thirds majority while others required a three-quarters majority.  This was a bit confusing.

Change Order.  We’ve made it flow.  In our old bylaws the section dealing with members and the section dealing with membership meetings were separated by lots of other sections.  This made following the bylaws unnecessarily confusing.  Now the sections are together. 

Simplify.  We’ve tried our best to simplify the language of the bylaws in order to make them as clear and readable as possible.  So in a line by line comparison of the old bylaws and the new proposed bylaws, you’ll see the new bylaws eliminate extraneous wording.  Nevertheless, since this is a legal document, some legalese remains.

If you’ve gotten this far in the blog, thanks! I hope this helps orient you towards the major changes we’re proposing.

 

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Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:00:00 -0800 On Congregationalism: The Process of Revising. http://blog.stpaulswired.org/on-congregationalism-the-process-of-revising http://blog.stpaulswired.org/on-congregationalism-the-process-of-revising

At our Membership Meeting on Wednesday, we’ll be reviewing a proposed revision to our current bylaws.  This past fall, our Board and our Membership Officers began working on a bylaws revision for our church.  We’ve been working together on this for five months.

Early this fall I met with our lawyer to go over our bylaws.  It’s always good to check with a lawyer on legal documents!  He suggested many changes, which we have incorporated into our new proposed bylaws.  And these changes strengthen our congregational roots. Our lawyer is a staunch Congregationalist!

The rest of the changes came from suggestions from our Board and our Membership Officers.  These new proposed bylaws are the result of some five months work.  It was tedious but necessary work.  In the next post I’ll highlight several of the proposed changes.

 

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Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:00:00 -0800 On Congregationalism: FAQ http://blog.stpaulswired.org/on-congregationalism-faq http://blog.stpaulswired.org/on-congregationalism-faq

In this post I’d like to answer some frequently asked questions.  Here they are:

Why is the Lead Pastor a member of the Board of Directors?

Good question.  The short answer is because the Bible says so.  Remember in congregationalism there are no hard distinctions between bishops, elders or pastors.  The terms are used interchangeably.  That means that according to the NT pastors are elders.  This naturally leads to the next question…

Why do we have a Board of Directors instead of a Board of Elders?

Good question.  The short answer is because that’s what they wanted to call themselves when we started.  In my mind there’s no difference.  The board can call themselves the board of bishops, the board of elders, the board of pastors, the board of leaders, or the board of directors.  I don’t really care.  So long as we have a board that is made up of multiple people selected from the congregation to lead I’m fine with whatever they call themselves.

Why should I care about any of this?

Good question.  Here’s one reason.  We’re about to propose changing our bylaws.  The proposed changes strengthen our congregational roots.  If we don’t know what congregationalism, is we won’t understand the proposed changes. 

Here’s an even better reason. We’re an evangelical church.  We profess to hold to teachings of the Bible in everything we do.  So it would be good if all our church members understood that we govern the church according to the teachings of the Bible.  It would be good if all our church members knew that at St. Paul’s Church we do in fact practice what we preach.

 

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Sat, 21 Jan 2012 08:18:00 -0800 Final Update from Tuxpan, Mexico. http://blog.stpaulswired.org/final-update-from-tuxpan-mexico http://blog.stpaulswired.org/final-update-from-tuxpan-mexico

From Ken Buch.

Saturday am now.  Mirna and Diana have left for a visit with relatives.  They are counting on meeting all of us at the airport Sunday am for one last round of goodbye’s.  Today is to be a day of rest and relaxation (recuperation for some).  A tour of the surrounding area and a boat ride to Kikomar are on the docket for this morning.  Lunch at Kikomar and a couple of hours of beach time then back to Tuxpan to pack and prepare for the six hour bus ride to Mexico City.

Last night was a huge success.  One of the main goals of our visit was to encourage the local churches to work together in the Lord’s work.  We did not get 1,000 attendees but that was not the main point.  The 450-500 who did attend greatly enjoyed the presentation and several churches (there were 21 involved) have told us they are planning to have their own creative arts teams ASAP.

In fact pastor Arturo had us all at a meeting to ask our permission to use the name “Hands of Peace” for his new outreach program.  We were, of course honored at that request and his group is now Hands of Peace Tuxpan.  Last night he showed us the new letterhead he has already printed and informed us that he has changed his plans for the future to include a main focus on the creative arts.

Pastor Marko who was at first skeptical of how the creative arts could be integrated into his ministry has plans to order 20 puppets and pick them up in the US when he attends a conference in New York in the spring.  Last night he was carefully checking out the sound system we borrowed from the Methodist church.

We could not be more pleased at the response to our training.

The presentation last night lasted about 90 minutes and the participants were mostly local from Pastor Marko’s church and Pastor Arturo’s church along with absolutely beautiful singing by Cesia.  She should try out for American Idol.  Her singing gave me goose bumps!!  The “black light” numbers were spectacular thanks to the inventive skills of Roy, Juan Carlos and Luis.  That was particularly gratifying because we had almost scrubbed the black light part of the program for fear of offending a few of the Pastors who associated the term “black light” with some evil darkness.

We are all continually impressed with the “God moments” we have witnessed in Tuxpan.  There is no way the events of the past two weeks could be coincidence.  From the 15 passenger van to the convergence of our diverse team the events have fit together like a huge puzzle.  As an example, Judy and I happened to meet a young man from California last summer at a conference in Columbus, Ohio.  With Kikomar on my mind, I asked Gabriel if he would be willing to participate in a mission trip to Camp Kikomar.  Over the next few months we exchanged E-Mails and text messages and what a blessing he was to our venture.  Being fluent in Spanish, he was able to use his creative arts and interpersonal skills to the max.  His being here in Tuxpan far exceeded our expectations.

We are all looking forward being home tomorrow night.  See you all soon.

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Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:09:00 -0800 On Congregationalism: St. Paul’s Church http://blog.stpaulswired.org/on-congregationalism-st-pauls-church http://blog.stpaulswired.org/on-congregationalism-st-pauls-church

Let’s review.  Congregational churches believe that Jesus Christ governs his church through local congregations. Each congregation is subject to no other ecclesiastical authority. Each congregation selects her own leaders.

There are two types of congregational churches. Some congregational churches are led by a single elder. Some congregational churches are led by multiple elders. And there is excellent biblical support for both.

St. Paul’s Church adheres to both. We are both/and, not either/or. We are a single elder congregational church in that we have a Lead Pastor.  We don’t have Lead Pastors, we have a Lead Pastor who directs the affairs of the church.  But we are also a multiple elder church in that we have a Board of Directors. The Board of Directors is a group of equals who govern the church and hold the Lead Pastor accountable.

To my mind, the governance at St. Paul’s Church is a governance which most clearly adheres to the teachings of Scripture.

I do not agree with a pure form of single elder congregationalism.  I do not agree with one person directing the church, accountable to no group except the whole church.  I do not think this governance conforms to NT practice. There are always multiple elders.

I also do no agree with a pure form of multiple elder congregationalism.  I do not agree that multiple leaders each with the same authority can direct the church.  I do not think this governance conforms to how God works in the Scriptures.

The choice between single elder and multiple elder congregationalism is a false one.  It’s not either/or. It’s both/and. 

At St. Paul’s Church we are both/and. We are both a single elder congregational church (one Lead Pastor) and a multiple elder congregational church (a Board of Directors).  It’s biblical.  And that’s a good thing.

 

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Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:06:00 -0800 On Congregationalism: Two Types http://blog.stpaulswired.org/on-congregationalism-two-types http://blog.stpaulswired.org/on-congregationalism-two-types

Congregational churches believe that Jesus Christ governs his church through the members of a local church.  These church members select their own church leaders.  And these churches are subject to no other ecclesiastical body.

But there is more than one kind of congregational church.  There are two kinds of congregational churches.  They are generally referred to as single elder congregational churches and multiple elder congregational churches.  Single elder congregational churches are led by one elder.  Multiple elder congregational churches are led by multiple elders.

But let’s remember. Congregational churches do not make hard distinctions between bishop/elder/pastor.  So we could say…There are single or multiple bishop congregational churches.  There are single or multiple pastor congregational churches.  Or more commonly, there are single or multiple elder congregational churches.

Proponents of single elder congregationalism assert that God leads his churches through individuals.  This is the testimony of Scripture.  Through Moses, through Joshua, through David, through Jesus, through Peter (apostle to the Jews), through Paul (apostle to the Gentiles), through these individuals, God leads his people.  This position doesn’t exclude multiple elders.  For example Moses led with Miriam and Aaron.  But this position says that multiple elders are not a necessity.  Moreover, even when multiple elders are present, one elder leads the group of elders.

Proponents of multiple elder congregationalism assert that God leads his churches through groups of elders. This is the testimony of Scripture. Whenever elders are mentioned in the NT they are mentioned as a group. In the NT there is not one example of a church with a single elder. 

So which version of congregationalism is right?  And more to the point, which version of congregationalism does St. Paul’s Church embrace?  That is the subject of the next post.

 

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Fri, 20 Jan 2012 05:36:00 -0800 Mexico, Week 2. http://blog.stpaulswired.org/mexico-week-2 http://blog.stpaulswired.org/mexico-week-2

A Message from Ken Buch.

This is Friday, the big day we have been working towards all week.  I am writing this in the dark at 6am on the patio.  Everyone else is still sawing logs.  Last night 17 of us had a terrific dinner at a steak barbeque place called the Diamond. 

The week has been one of preparation and rehearsals for the big event scheduled for this evening and creative arts workshops every evening.  Great turnout every night with over 20 churches participating. 

We had to rent extra chairs for this evening, increasing the seats to 650 and we are told that the attendance may exceed 1,000!!!  The presentation will be 85% local performers that we have trained all week.  The evening will culminate in an alter call led by Pastor Arturo from the Methodist church.

Although extremely rewarding, the week has had a few speed bumps.  Roy, Juan Carlos and Luis have had to work hard as junior “McIver’s” to come up with decent lighting including “black lights”.  The space we are using is a 6,000 sqft meeting hall.  Unfortunately sometime last week all of the chairs were stolen.  The thieves even stole the building doors!  So local churches have loaned chairs and an offering was taken to rent an additional 400.  The doors were replaced and we have had a guard sleeping there every night.  Last hurdle to overcome is the water supply which has been nonexistent since Tuesday thus making the restrooms unusable.

Weather has been great but not as warm as you might think, 70’s in the day and cool at night.

More tomorrow!!

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